Quote from Gary Bogarin on April 28, 2024, 6:18 pm

a. Watchman Nee emphasized that the serious trouble with many engaged in Christian work is that they lack a genuine love and concern for men. Unless man becomes the object of our affection we cannot possibly become a servant of men.

Serving and loving men is quite difficult to do. We have the tendency to focus more on the time being spent on the service, the methods and programs we are setting in place, personal achievements being made rather than genuinely caring for the ones we are serving.

I think in my sphere of service (mwg, district, sector and even LNP as a whole) it is easier to say that I genuinely love and care for the bros and sisters. It is in the service of 'other' men that I know I would need more work on. I am the type of person that is quite reserved and aloof at first and only warms up when I get to know a person well enough. So this applies to me as a reminder to be passionate about men as Christ is. To learn to prioritize genuine love and compassion for others in my actions and service.

 

2.   The question of great importance is " How Can we truly serve and love others as Christ does?"

To rephrase it " How can I truly serve and love others as Christ does?" I can only do this when I admit to myself that I am myself unworthy of the love of Christ. And in spite of my unworthiness He suffered and died for me because He loved me. The same way I must love and serve others in spite of their own unworthiness or shortcomings. I am only a recipient of God's love, I did not deserve it or am I entitled to it so it should not be difficult to give that  same love and care to others.

3. Of course there are some people or groups of people that I dislike or not in my area of interest or concern. 

What is this chapter saying about how God sees them? God sees them with great love and concern just like He does with me. How should I consider them? I should consider them as my brothers and sisters, worthy of God's love and salvation and a desire to share the love of God with them,

 

4. The new mindset needed for me to embrace in order to take on the leadership challenge is one of humility and servanthood. By being humble, I must never think of myself as superior to others and should always be willing to admit my mistakes and weaknesses. Instead of seeking power and recognition, I must learn to serve others selflessly and willingly. Putting their need before my own and actively seeking opportunities to help and support them.

 

 

 

Quote from Johnny Yu on April 28, 2024, 8:58 pm

Quote from Eddie on April 13, 2024, 2:28 pm

Dear Brothers,

Here is Chapter 3, "A Lover of Men" by Watchman Nee.   This chapter, like the rest of his series, is very important; but may I give you fair warning:  Not only is the writing style of Watchman quite dense, in this case it also is quite abstract.  You'll need to read it 3 or 4 times at least.  However his message is quite valuable and challenging; may his iron sharpen our irons, brothers!! 

I'm posting here two versions: (a) unmarked version; (b) annotated with my markings and reflection guide.   You may read and study whichever version you feel comfortable with.  

For your assignment, kindly share your answers to the following questions in the Discussion Forum, as we did in the last chapter.

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?
2. What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?
3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?
4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

God bless you.

1. Trouble always come when outside of comfort zone or unfamiliar territory.  Serving in the company of other men may not be so difficult and intimidating, but going out on your own may pose a big challenge.  This is true for me, especially if I will rationalize my situation given the demand of work and family life.

2. That all men are equally valuable in the eyes of God, that if I received His grace, through other men, then other men also deserve His grace if I will allow myself to be a channel or be used as His instrument.

3. In the context of our community in LIGAYA, there are people whom I find difficult to understand, not dislike, on their behavior or actions, especially if I think they are not supposedly living out our way of life as covenanted members.  For those who are not within my circle of influence, I just pray that they will have their own Kairos moment again.  For those within my circle of influence, I continue to engage and continue to consider them as my brothers in Christ, love and serve them, even if difficult.

4. I think I want to make a distinction on the the lost son apart from the lost sheep or lost coin, as it is narrated in the bible.  It was said that the man who lost a sheep and the woman who lost the coin would exert all effort to look for it, while the lost son, by the grace of God, came to himself and returned to his father, and the father openly welcomed him back.

   For me, in my service as a pastoral leader, it is not much of effort to consider to reach out to my members if they do reciprocate the communication; it becomes more challenging if the members are not responsive nor following my pastoral input or direction.  It doesn’t mean though that we should simply abandon them but I need to honestly examine myself if I can truly say or do the phrase “forsaking all” just to bring back the member.   

Quote from James Labayo on April 29, 2024, 8:18 pm

According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

 The serious trouble is the lack of love for man.

For me this is partly true. All men have the capacity to love mankind but because of culture, family practices, media and preference, we tend to specialize in loving certain groups of people. One needs the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s love to men.

Another insight that I have is when Christian work becomes “work”. It becomes professionalized, strategized and target focused. One example is when one becomes an evangelizer of couples. Unconsciously, he just looks at the state of spouses since that is his “calling”. This may lead to lack of focus on the students, household helps or poor in society.

Personally, I try to be mindful of the people around me all the time. One flaw that I have is I look for people that I can help. This attitude veers me away from some people like the accomplished and capable people. Through this chapter, I realized I should expand more in terms of loving all men especially those outside community.

What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

To what extent are you interested?

I will rephrase it like this: How much do you love Me? This question pushes me to love like He does, to take care of His people and see His face in everyone.

Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

I do not like people who uses and mistreats other people. As stated above, I am indifferent with accomplished and capable people.

God is the only one who is righteous. I should consider them through the merciful heart of Jesus. To be able to do that, I usually lift up to the Lord the specific negative feelings that I have. I pray that He takes it away from me to allow me to focus on His desire for these people.

Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

“Forsaking all” is a heavy task to follow. One needs faith, clarity of mind and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to be able to identify the lost sheep. This goes back to the previous point that we all need to love all men no matter the cost (e.g. convenience, preference, comfort zone or livelihood).

To reconcile, I need to go out of my preference and comfort zone. To be more involved and aware of each person within and outside my care. Hopefully, I would be able to see everyone through the eyes of Jesus with grace and mercy.

Quote from Alex Filamor on April 29, 2024, 10:40 pm

1. There are 3 serious troubles that Watchman Nee pointed out who are engaged in Christian work.
   1. Lack of love for man – it is not that I fall short on this but it’s the way I love a person … it's easy to love others if you receive respect and love also.
   2. Lack of esteem for a man – easily I judge people on the outcome or result of what they are doing based on their personality
   3. Failure to realize the value of man in God’s sight – this is the area that still a work in progress for me, I should be always be reminded that ALL men are created equal in the eyes of the LORD
2. The great importance = How can you serve others wholeheartedly? It is by humbly accepting that you cannot do ALL things without God’s grace. Sometimes it crosses my mind that because of my skills, talents, and abilities, the things that I am doing is only because that’s who am I. Neglecting that ALL of those come from the LORD.
3. Yes, there are people or groups of people that I don’t like, simply because they don’t have value to me or interest.

Watchman Nee, said it clearly that God created ALL men equal and sees every man important in His eyes. This chapter emphasizes the importance of accepting brothers and sisters in our midst with due respect, accepting them who they are, and serve or treat them equally.

4. The new mindset that has taught me in this chapter is to put the concern of others before mine. Serve with full humility. Always seek God’s grace in all that you do. Be a Servant Leader.

Quote from Jordan Echague on April 30, 2024, 8:33 am

Quote from Eddie on April 13, 2024, 2:28 pm

Dear Brothers,

Here is Chapter 3, "A Lover of Men" by Watchman Nee.   This chapter, like the rest of his series, is very important; but may I give you fair warning:  Not only is the writing style of Watchman quite dense, in this case it also is quite abstract.  You'll need to read it 3 or 4 times at least.  However his message is quite valuable and challenging; may his iron sharpen our irons, brothers!! 

I'm posting here two versions: (a) unmarked version; (b) annotated with my markings and reflection guide.   You may read and study whichever version you feel comfortable with.  

For your assignment, kindly share your answers to the following questions in the Discussion Forum, as we did in the last chapter.

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?
2. What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?
3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?
4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

God bless you.

1. "A serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work is their lack of love for man, their lack of esteem for man, their failure to realize the value of man in God’s sight."

Watchman Nee describes "Man" as all of mankind and that all of man are equally valuable in the eyes of God.

I'm particularly affected by this chapter because of my tendency to dissociate myself from those who may hurt me, harm me, or who may influence me negatively. This was the key to my change of heart which enabled my "kairos moment". That I distance myself from persons who are unhealthy for my soul. 

Yet in this chapter, I'm told to hold them dear to me as part of my Christian duties. Such a difficult and humbling predicament for me. 

By God's grace, I may be humbled even more and approach servanthood with an open heart, especially to those who need God's light shined upon them through our actions.

2. "No doubt you are interested in a few particularly intelligent people, a few who in one way or another are outstanding; but what I want to know is not if you are interested in men of unusual measure, but if you are interested in man.

This question is one of great importance."

If I paraphrase this question, it would come out to something like this:

"Will you serve not only those who provide value to you and your life, but also those who may bring burden and plight to you and those around you?"

These two types of people are the ends of a spectrum in my list of people to care for. On one end are people who bring me growth, inspiration, and convenience, while the other end are those who weigh me down and change my life's pace from quick to slow.

3. Immediately what comes to my mind is my disappointment and belittling of the less fortunate and uneducated. After the last presidential election, my heart was broken apart by how the masses disregarded our concern for them & decided to spite the middle class by putting into power someone unfavored by the educated mind. 

I felt exhausted and defeated off the bat. Right now there is a numb indifference that I cannot seem to recover from. 

Another group of people that I seem to ignore are those unwilling to listen and those with closed minds. 

I feel that my efforts are in vain when dealing with these people and so I adjust the intensity of my approach. 

My service in community deals with the children of community members, much of whom prefer to live a life undisturbed.  And I value them very much because I understand what they're going through since I was came from the same background. I believe that I desire intensely to bring them closer to God as I want to share the joy of being God's beloved.

However, there are LNP members who I perceive with questionable motives for their membership. These people I find apathetic to our way of life or just with us for networking, maybe material gain. And these people, I tend to ignore and I seem to protect myself from them. 

Now I ask myself these questions, "Can I love and treat all those I serve with the same intensity and fervor? Am I able to see my brethren as valuable and worthy of the little time I spend in service?"

This chapter has opened my heart a bit to the harsh reality that I am a hypocritical servant, selfish and arrogant. And I ask for prayers that I may relearn to love "the angry mob" just as our Lord Jesus did, with a sincere heart.

God sees all of us equally valuable and worthy of His love. This is what I dream to achieve by His grace, that I may see others in high regard amidst the decisions they make and the situations that they are in.

4. This chapter charges me to widen my capacity to love. My horizon of service should stretch out to all those within God's loving embrace.

Brothers, please pray that I may find a catharsis of sorts that will enable me to forgive those who have hurt me and a renewed desire to served those whom I called to serve.

Quote from Henry Salim on May 1, 2024, 3:34 pm

1.     According to Watchman Nee, what is the serious trouble with many (presumably ourselves) who are engaged in Christian work? How does this apply to you?

 

We get into trouble because we have a tendency to see the world as us and them. I think it is human nature to form associations with those who they have something in common.  It is easier for us to be with people who share similar interests, who come from similar backgrounds.  The more points of congruence, the more comfortable we feel. As a result, we tend to limit our work within these circles. When there are instances when we are called to go out of these circles, we do so out of obedience but we never really feel we belong. We finish our tasks and hurry back to who we percieve as our people.

 

2.     What is the question of great importance? How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

 

Are we interested in a particular group of men or are we interested in man? Obviously , I am callled to love more. I am not only called to love the present set of people that is before me but to continue to expand this set to include the people that God send my way. The effort is to expand and not to limit my love and involvement.

 

3.     Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? What about those whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)? What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

 

This chapter reminded me that our people is the whole of mankind. We are called to be good companions not only to people who we think we share common ground but also to people who are different from us. I am again brought back to the truth that we all are sinners that are saved not by our own individual merit but by the love of our God. He is loves us individually and we are all in a personal way very special to Him. If I am to work for God I should be ready to serve and be with whoever He send my way and not just a selected group.  I should see everybody equally  as sons and daughters of God and not see bounderies that divides and categorizes us.

 

4.     Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son. What new mindset would you personally need to adopt in order to embrace this calling?

 

We should be on the look out for outliers, those in the fringes, those that need help. It is easier not to see them. Seeing them would entail a personal cost to us. A cost that we could have avoided paying if we just looked the other way and focused on the 99 sheep. A cost that we are asked to pay if we are to be working for our Lord.

 

Quote from Jorel Mateo on May 4, 2024, 4:58 pm

For your assignment, kindly share your answers to the following questions in the Discussion Forum, as we did in the last chapter.

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious troublewith many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

The serious trouble being referred to is the selective love or loving just a few among everyone in your group or Everyone.  Being involved in Christian work, We fall into the trap into thinking that we are okay and somehow ahead of others already. We are happy to say to ourselves that we are doing a good job, doing good service to fellow men in need, and get clouded that it’s enough already.

Before reading this article, I was into that zone.  I was coasting along, thinking that I’m more than average, and that I should just take it easy and not do anything bad. 

After reading this, I realized, that I’m just starting.  And that there is really a universe still to learn, do and understand.  Thanks to eye openers like this.

 

2. What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

I believe the question to ask ourselves is

How did the Lord have the ability to love ALL MEN? 

And How can I do the same?

 

3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

• Competitors in Business
• Certain people in Government
• People who have hurt me

That God will give them grace to change their hearts and be better persons than they were before.

That God gives me more grace to learn to understand and to love them instead of despising them.  More difficult to do than say it.  Lord help me.

 

4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking allin order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

All should be loved. 

In my role as a PL particularly, all those that I pastor should be given more patience, love and attention.  No ifs no buts.

I take it negatively when I feel that I’m not given any importance or does not reply to my messages or calls.

In this article, I am being taught to just continue with the work giving more importance to the assignment given by the Lord to help others go closer to Him.  And not concentrate on my own feelings and ego.

Quote from Alan Santos on May 6, 2024, 6:16 pm

1. Lack of love for man, lack of esteem for man, failure to realize the value of man in God's sight, emphasizing ALL MEN!. I tend to chose rather than accept what is asked of me. I was practicing this last week, I can hear myself saying to myself, "love for all men" while going through the day. Realizing that it's really quite difficult and most often failing to love all men. Now my daily prayer includes Lord, help me to see that all men are precious to you. Teach me to see that all men are important.
2. All men are important regardless of who they are, what their status is, how bright or smart they are, all men are our brothers. We must care for them and accept them especially the poor and needy who are most neglected. 
3. Yes of course, there are people who i dislike and also am indifferent to. Especially those who are concerned only about themselves, who don't think about the consequences of their actions. 
   God, however, has told us to love all men, regardles of who or what they are. We must see all men as our "fellow-men". But to be honest about it, I am not sure how I will be able to this.
4. Quoting Watchman Nee "Oh that we might see every human being as a living soul wih an immense potentiality!" ALL souls are important in God's eyes, we are all his children. In order for one to truly care for our fellow men, we must humble ourselves and always look at others as being better than ourself, to forgive and love uncoditionally. 

Quote from Erick Flores on May 6, 2024, 10:52 pm

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"? How does this apply to you?

A serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work is:
- their lack of love for man,
- their lack of esteem for man,
- their failure to realize the value of man in God’s sight.

Our imperfections on loving man definitely roots from sin and probably varies in expression from the way we were raised or influenced growing up.

Growing up, I have experienced my father accommodate guests in our house from many different backgrounds which he would reveal to me privately by the time the guests left our house. We have nothing to offer but my father’s word of advice and instant coffee. Papa does the talking, me and my siblings do the serving. Being young and childish made me dislike people not because of who or what they are but because of the inconvenience they bring to me.

Growing in relationship with Jesus, I came to know that loving others is imitating the generosity of the Good Samaritan in restoring the well being of a stranger. Even if it causes discomfort, inconvenience or sacrifice on our part. I, myself, have benefited a lot from the Good Samaritans along this life’s journey.

I agree with Watchman Nee that the failure of realizing the value of man in God’s sight is where the trouble starts. I need Jesus to see others as the Father sees them. It is only through grace that we can love, serve and lay down our lives for our fellow men in accordance to God’s will.

“For even the Son of man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many” (Mk. 10:45).

2. What is the question of great importance? How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

The question of great importance:
“What I want to know is not if you are interested in men of unusual measure, but if you are interested in MAN?”

Rephrase to myself:
What comes into my mind is, “Can I love and give to others without counting the cost?”

It seems easy and comforting to love someone because I recognize God in them and see the heavenly benefit as mentioned in Matthew 25:40,

“Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

But it is hard and impossible when I cannot see God in that person because his deeds and choices does not manifest God’s presence. Being human, it is impossible but in Christ nothing is impossible.

3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)? What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

Yes. It is not hard to dislike another person whose sin and injustice we witness to have negatively affected many others. It is also not easy to love a person you have a broken relationship with.

But we know the teachings, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” I experienced being accepted despite of my sins and imperfections.

We know Jesus’ command, “Love your enemy.”

I know that God loves them as He loves me. I also know that Jesus wants to save them and me. If God calls me for this purpose, He will enable me to accomplish it according to His will.

4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son. What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee? How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

New mindset:
“His (God’s) workmen are servants of men who count it their joy to minister to their fellows (all mankind).”

Such is the joy of the Good Shepherd who found the lost sheep, the joy of the woman who found the lost coin and the joy of the father who welcomed his lost son.

We are Ligaya ng Panginoon (Joy of the Lord). We forsake all and take on the perseverance of the Good Shepherd, the wisdom of the Holy Spirit and the loving embrace of the Father to seek the lost, Ligaya and non-Ligaya fellow men.

Quote from Jordan Echague on May 13, 2024, 9:46 am

Quote from Henry Salim on May 1, 2024, 3:34 pm

1.     According to Watchman Nee, what is the serious trouble with many (presumably ourselves) who are engaged in Christian work? How does this apply to you?

 

We get into trouble because we have a tendency to see the world as us and them. I think it is human nature to form associations with those who they have something in common.  It is easier for us to be with people who share similar interests, who come from similar backgrounds.  The more points of congruence, the more comfortable we feel. As a result, we tend to limit our work within these circles. When there are instances when we are called to go out of these circles, we do so out of obedience but we never really feel we belong. We finish our tasks and hurry back to who we percieve as our people.

 

2.     What is the question of great importance? How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

 

Are we interested in a particular group of men or are we interested in man? Obviously , I am callled to love more. I am not only called to love the present set of people that is before me but to continue to expand this set to include the people that God send my way. The effort is to expand and not to limit my love and involvement.

 

3.     Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? What about those whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)? What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

 

This chapter reminded me that our people is the whole of mankind. We are called to be good companions not only to people who we think we share common ground but also to people who are different from us. I am again brought back to the truth that we all are sinners that are saved not by our own individual merit but by the love of our God. He is loves us individually and we are all in a personal way very special to Him. If I am to work for God I should be ready to serve and be with whoever He send my way and not just a selected group.  I should see everybody equally  as sons and daughters of God and not see bounderies that divides and categorizes us.

 

4.     Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son. What new mindset would you personally need to adopt in order to embrace this calling?

 

We should be on the look out for outliers, those in the fringes, those that need help. It is easier not to see them. Seeing them would entail a personal cost to us. A cost that we could have avoided paying if we just looked the other way and focused on the 99 sheep. A cost that we are asked to pay if we are to be working for our Lord.

 

Thank you bro for your openness.

Your reflection on the ingroup vs outgroup or the "us against them" mentality is indeed a conflicting argument for us Christians. 

For one, I don't think it is necessarily an intrinsically evil thing to categorize or predetermine people based on social norms. This "categorization" is a normal human instinct because it helps us fit ourselves into different social circumstances. 

However, the danger lies in excluding certain categories for our personal convenience or comfort. Or even deeming one category as superior to another.

Our Lord, Jesus Christ loves us immensely and equally. And though our Lord may have devoted a lot of His time to the less fortunate, His Love is equal in terms of mercy and grace.

My prayer for us is to be like Christ in loving all of man equally, but to have preferential attention dedicated to those in need of our services. 

Quote from Jordan Echague on May 13, 2024, 9:54 am

Quote from Alan Santos on May 6, 2024, 6:16 pm

1. Lack of love for man, lack of esteem for man, failure to realize the value of man in God's sight, emphasizing ALL MEN!. I tend to chose rather than accept what is asked of me. I was practicing this last week, I can hear myself saying to myself, "love for all men" while going through the day. Realizing that it's really quite difficult and most often failing to love all men. Now my daily prayer includes Lord, help me to see that all men are precious to you. Teach me to see that all men are important.
2. All men are important regardless of who they are, what their status is, how bright or smart they are, all men are our brothers. We must care for them and accept them especially the poor and needy who are most neglected. 
3. Yes of course, there are people who i dislike and also am indifferent to. Especially those who are concerned only about themselves, who don't think about the consequences of their actions. 
   God, however, has told us to love all men, regardles of who or what they are. We must see all men as our "fellow-men". But to be honest about it, I am not sure how I will be able to this.
4. Quoting Watchman Nee "Oh that we might see every human being as a living soul wih an immense potentiality!" ALL souls are important in God's eyes, we are all his children. In order for one to truly care for our fellow men, we must humble ourselves and always look at others as being better than ourself, to forgive and love uncoditionally. 

Indeed bro there are people who are difficult to serve and even harder to love. And all of "Man" includes a spectrum of personalities, some quite selfish, others too eccentric, and many who are delusional.

But I believe that the Lord has gifted the leaders of LNP with extraordinary patience and understanding. Some see this gift as a blessing but it also is a burden. Expanding your heart to those who are not dear to you is not easy. But as we continue to do the Lord's work, our hearts stretch out as needed.

Let's continue inspiring one another and outdoing each other in patience and understanding. 

Praying with you, and I'm grateful to have reviewed your reflection, Kuya Alan.

Quote from Noel Lugue on May 14, 2024, 7:20 am

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you? Serious trouble of those who are engaged in Christian Work is the lack of love , lack of esteem for MAN and the failure to see how God values man. I have been experiencing these through my love for God's people.  My love language is "affirmation" . When one joins a community like CYA ,Lingkod or Ligaya, affirmation is sincerely felt. Thus , unconsciously or consciously , I have a tendency to imitate these encouragers..that is to love them back. And through time there is a sense of satisfaction when you devote time, effort and even money to just be in this circle of love. Unintentionally , we lose the opportunity to love Man who are outside the circle.  However, still I thank Ligaya family  for the teachings about love and being others oriented, or mission oriented. These will really shake you to go back to the truth and realization that God loves ALL.
2. What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?The phrase Son Of Man implies that our Lord is interested in MAN so much so that He became one. "Noel , are you interested in Man in the same manner that Your Lord is and became one and lived like one."?
3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?  This is a difficult question . Maybe the best way to answer this is to share what i ahve learned in my service to Tahanan ng Panginoon.  In my early years of Service, Unconsciously, my disposition is I am from Ligaya and I am helping poor people. As if I was saying , "I am better , I know better and you from Tnp are poor so we will help ". What the Lord taught me is they simply are my brethren. They are also sons and daughters of God. The Lord also died for them. They are my brothers and sisters. I dont give them food in a plate. I eat with them in the same plate"
4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya. Luke 15 in relation to Nee's view illustrates the immense personal love of God for one soul who is lost ( who sins). How He will go out of His way to find it ( him/her). Parallel to John 3:16, The Father sent His Son for the Lost....for all.  In my service now as Senior leader / TNP Worker, and in relation to my answer on item 3 above,  I pray that the Lords grace and Spirit renew me day by day that I should value each person in the way that He values, He Serves, He loves   each one . Maganda pagnilayan sa Tagalog . MAHAL ng DIYOS ang tao. MAHAL means love and expensive.

Quote from Alex Filamor on May 15, 2024, 10:36 am

Quote from James Labayo on April 29, 2024, 8:18 pm

According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

 The serious trouble is the lack of love for man.

For me this is partly true. All men have the capacity to love mankind but because of culture, family practices, media and preference, we tend to specialize in loving certain groups of people. One needs the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s love to men.

Another insight that I have is when Christian work becomes “work”. It becomes professionalized, strategized and target focused. One example is when one becomes an evangelizer of couples. Unconsciously, he just looks at the state of spouses since that is his “calling”. This may lead to lack of focus on the students, household helps or poor in society.

Personally, I try to be mindful of the people around me all the time. One flaw that I have is I look for people that I can help. This attitude veers me away from some people like the accomplished and capable people. Through this chapter, I realized I should expand more in terms of loving all men especially those outside community.

What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

To what extent are you interested?

I will rephrase it like this: How much do you love Me? This question pushes me to love like He does, to take care of His people and see His face in everyone.

Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

I do not like people who uses and mistreats other people. As stated above, I am indifferent with accomplished and capable people.

God is the only one who is righteous. I should consider them through the merciful heart of Jesus. To be able to do that, I usually lift up to the Lord the specific negative feelings that I have. I pray that He takes it away from me to allow me to focus on His desire for these people.

Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

“Forsaking all” is a heavy task to follow. One needs faith, clarity of mind and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to be able to identify the lost sheep. This goes back to the previous point that we all need to love all men no matter the cost (e.g. convenience, preference, comfort zone or livelihood).

To reconcile, I need to go out of my preference and comfort zone. To be more involved and aware of each person within and outside my care. Hopefully, I would be able to see everyone through the eyes of Jesus with grace and mercy.

Indeed your reflection bro is truly from the heart, the experience of serving men is not easy. But by God's grace, we are given the capacity to understand them patiently and love them more importantly. As we are called to be a Servant Leader we need to leave all behind us like our pride, selective task or service, choosing people to relate with, and many other selfish motives that hinders us from being a LOVER OF MEN. God bless 🙏🏻

Quote from Alex Filamor on May 15, 2024, 10:47 am

Quote from Noel Lugue on May 14, 2024, 7:20 am

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you? Serious trouble of those who are engaged in Christian Work is the lack of love , lack of esteem for MAN and the failure to see how God values man. I have been experiencing these through my love for God's people.  My love language is "affirmation" . When one joins a community like CYA ,Lingkod or Ligaya, affirmation is sincerely felt. Thus , unconsciously or consciously , I have a tendency to imitate these encouragers..that is to love them back. And through time there is a sense of satisfaction when you devote time, effort and even money to just be in this circle of love. Unintentionally , we lose the opportunity to love Man who are outside the circle.  However, still I thank Ligaya family  for the teachings about love and being others oriented, or mission oriented. These will really shake you to go back to the truth and realization that God loves ALL.
2. What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?The phrase Son Of Man implies that our Lord is interested in MAN so much so that He became one. "Noel , are you interested in Man in the same manner that Your Lord is and became one and lived like one."?
3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?  This is a difficult question . Maybe the best way to answer this is to share what i ahve learned in my service to Tahanan ng Panginoon.  In my early years of Service, Unconsciously, my disposition is I am from Ligaya and I am helping poor people. As if I was saying , "I am better , I know better and you from Tnp are poor so we will help ". What the Lord taught me is they simply are my brethren. They are also sons and daughters of God. The Lord also died for them. They are my brothers and sisters. I dont give them food in a plate. I eat with them in the same plate"
4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya. Luke 15 in relation to Nee's view illustrates the immense personal love of God for one soul who is lost ( who sins). How He will go out of His way to find it ( him/her). Parallel to John 3:16, The Father sent His Son for the Lost....for all.  In my service now as Senior leader / TNP Worker, and in relation to my answer on item 3 above,  I pray that the Lords grace and Spirit renew me day by day that I should value each person in the way that He values, He Serves, He loves   each one . Maganda pagnilayan sa Tagalog . MAHAL ng DIYOS ang tao. MAHAL means love and expensive.

Bro, I am inspired by your disposition to serve our TNP brethren. I have seen you joyfully serve them. May I be able to emulate you and have that grace as well to be a lover of men without judgment of what is their status in life.

Prayers for you that God's grace will always be upon you as you serve in TNP.

Quote from Brien Myles Villamiel on May 18, 2024, 9:12 pm

sorry for late reflection... 

According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

• To place it in my own words, Watchman Nee is reminding us that in Christian work it is not just for the love of a select few… it is a love for all. As is stated in John 3:16, For God so loved the world… not just the Philippines, nor the people who are part of a covenant community… not just those who are educated or can afford 3 meals a day…Jesus came… for all of us, even those we are not comfortable associating with.
• In my studies with CEFAM, one of the basic perspective/ principle we are espoused to take is UPR [Unconditional Positive Regard], which simply means that whoever or whatever the client brings to you in counseling we should not judge the person nor their circumstance, but try to just listen, accompany and when asked provide a perspective for them to consider. UPR also applies to us in community… no judgement, no high-brows, but unconditionally accepting each other as a brother & sister in Christ. Easy to say but hard to do especially with all our individual characteristics & flaws… and yet, we shouldn’t stop as we are called to be His light, His Ligaya to one another (and the whole world).

What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

• Am I here just to serve and love the people that are lovable, likable and with whom I am comfortable with? Being asked to be God’s hope givers/ light bearers… is it just for these people or for everyone… similar to my reflection above, we should be able to extend our pegs that we may reach and help even those with whom we are uncomfortable with.

Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

• Since our community is filled with men & women who are all flawed (and blessed/ loved by God), there may be one or two (or three) bros & sis that may fall under this category… those that are there but not necessarily having no need for me to have concern about.
• This Chapter says we should go to confession and ask for God’s forgiveness 🙂 🙂 🙂 … but seriously, we should care for all our brethren, even those with whom we are uncomfortable with, unfamiliar, having opposing opinion and simply different from us… since we are all brothers & sisters to an Almighty Father who loved us even while we were sinners!

Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

• As a community kid, being raised, seeing and hearing how the community has grown, the challenge to remain humble, not having a “alam ko na yan” or a “holier-than-thou” or even “ba’t di mo alam yan” attitude, is something that needs to be tempered… I am still flawed… I am not perfect... and yet, I have received the unconditional love of brothers (and sisters). Shouldn’t I be mirroring that unconditional love to others as well, as a loving response.
• As a Senior Leader and District Servant, the call is to be loving to all… even to those who I feel awkward with, have different understandings & principles and came from different upbringings. Following the WWJD principle, love everyone the same way I am loved by him… unconditionally.

Quote from MarYo Galvez on May 21, 2024, 3:11 pm

According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble" with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

The serious trouble with many engaged in Christian work according to Watchman Nee is not seeing value in people, not trusting them, not loving them.

Being in the field of development work forming leaders in rural communities (and now in the urban setting), I believe I have deep love for the people which was amplified even more when I entered community. But entering 25 years of being in this field, unfortunately, my “love for the people” has dwindled and can be seen in the following forms:

• I tend to play favorites with community leaders who are fast learners and become impatient with those who will need more guidance.
• I shy away from relating with local officials because typecasting – they pretend they need people’s opinion but they really are after their support. I usually tell my boss, “ako na bahala sa project implementation, ikaw na bahala sa pakikipag-deal sa powers that be.”
• I pass up opportunities to know more of the people we serve outside the formal meetings and trainings. Trabaho lang walang magaganap na personalang pagkakakilanlan.

What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

I could not have phrased the question any better - To what extent are you interested? At first it does not seem to apply to me because of my field of work but digging into the word “interested” makes me reflect on the following:

•  How sincere is the interest? Being exposed to basic sectors (more known as poorest of the poor or disadvantaged groups) as program beneficiaries for over 2 decades, I have to admit that I my excitement sometimes lies more on the ways of innovating on programs and piloting new strategies to test my experience and knowledge. Kung ano ang personal stories behind the impact of the interventions – I leave it to my teammates – kasi it requires more effort and time and documentation (which I get bored easily with now).
•  Am I on autopilot mode? This is the scarier question. Kung nababawasan na ang aking excitement, service pa ba siyang matatawag or work na? A former colleague noticed that I am always in a rush mode (naiinip na sa meeting or nagmamadaling tapusin). Worse, she pointed out that I know have a “sungit mode” when I do real talk with the participants and pretend to teach them but in reality dictate how they should act as leaders.  
•  What was I made for? Copying the theme song of a blockbuster movie, and very timely with this present concern of mine, I am discerning on the role that the Lord is asking me to see, act and do in my field not only as a public servant but as His disciple.

Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

Since I started working for a local government unit, I have realized that there are people:

• Who use people to get their way.
• Who can hide good intentions for personal benefits.
• Who are numb to the fact that people can see through them doing the above things.

So when I hear people talk about them, shy away from them or pretend to be with ok them, I begin to realize how lost they are and how much they are in need. They want to be involved in projects because they need attention which they cannot get it from their own barangay / community. They desire to be invited in events, because the recognition gives them confidence which might be the key for them to be contributing citizens. Sa daming ng hinihiling nila, baka ang hanap lang nila ay may magtrato sa kanila ng tama.

I remember one interaction with community leader who is very bright (he memorizes the senior citizen related laws) but is also very much disliked by many because he eat up time during open forums giving the government lecture on what it needs to do (kahit sinasabihan ko na mismo na times up na). I knew was not getting through to him. So when I noticed that he rotates around 2-3 shirts for every activity organized by the city, I thought of gathering my unused polo shirts to give to him. One day, I handed over the clothes and told him that I am not using them anymore and he could have it. In a succeeding activity, he approached me and proudly showed of one of my shirts. Then when it was his usual time to ask questions, he asked the question that he needed but without any lecture. It must be the shirt – sabi ko, sabi ng teammates ko.

Parang prodigal son pala – naghahanap ng pagtanggap ng kung anumang nawala sa kanya o winala niya. My officemates tell me he is abandoned already by his family kaya baka he needs that attention. He is a man who might not have seen intensity of love from a fellow man for a long time.  

Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking allin order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

My mindset in seeking the lost, has been a review of what I have stood for before, but in need of prayers for more sincerity, consistency and action to do more (magis).  

• Lahat ay may pinanggagalingang oppression. People are in need because they feel they have less or lost access or right to something. I have to understand what it is and find the gaps or needs to be filled.
• Lahat ay may angking kakayanan. Filling the gaps and needs starts from them. Hindi lang siya basta nabibigay.
• Lahat ay may puwang para sa dasal. Man can only do so much. For everything that we cannot control, we live it up to prayer.  

I am applying these same principles / mindset as a pastoral leader – to understand the brothers under me, what they think their needs and how remind them how the Lord built them to fill these needs and leave room for much prayer and guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

Quote from Gary Cabalde on May 21, 2024, 10:25 pm

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

The serious trouble with the Christian workers is when we fail to see the ultimate reason why we are engaged in the mission work in the first place....to be like Jesus to many! Guilty as I write my response to this question as admittedly, I've been "selective" with people whom I serve in my many years in the mission. I failed to see men as the men whom Jesus Christ loves, to the point of becoming like one and then died on the cross just to redeem us from our sure death.

What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

The question of great importance is whether I see men the way that Jesus Christ passionately looks at them to the point of becoming one of us (except sin). Answer: Hindi

As I write my reply to this question, a doubt came to mind: "Am I ready to accept men the way that Jesus Christ loves us; that is all out and unconditional? People in the community may be easy but outside that is where the challenge begins. Handa ba talaga ako sa ganitong mission? Or am I being pruned by the Lord to become more radical in this mission?

Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

Plenty of people definitely. Somehow I feel guilty as recently I assumed the post of heading the HR dept for almost a thousand souls (on top of my role as a CFO). I get tired, I get frustrated. I would say as a CFO, numbers would not complain nor react. You get what you see in your results. But with HR, I encounter frustrations almost every day. I want to help but I normally do it not in the eyes of the Lord, as lovers of men. Although I wear the hat of being a disciple on mission, a member of LNP community in my work (being compassionate with others) but the fact that I get frustrated (inis) and tired with men, I believe I need to do more on this area.

Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

That's the question I have in mind now: Am i ready to forsake all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin? Do I carry the attitude of "one soul at a time for Jesus" in bringing the good news to others? I need to pray more to have a heart and mind to accept men the way Jesus does.

For us in LNP is easy since we all share a homogenous way of life. It is in the mission outside our "comfort zone" where the real battle happens ie. In our family, in our workplace, etc. that i need to have a change of heart and mind with the mission of sharing Jesus as a ransom for many from our sins and assured death.

Quote from Joseph Henson on May 23, 2024, 2:07 am

1. According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"?  How does this apply to you?

To paraphrase, the serious trouble for many Christians is that we may love SOME men (especially fellow Christians), but we do not love ALL men just as Christ did. This “serious trouble” applies very much to me as I even struggle with consistently loving even those I find easy to love. How much more is the struggle with those that are not lovable (explained further in my response to question # 3). Also, I have a flawed tendency to think that if I’m doing a service that benefits a collective group of people (just as I work for a development organization for the common good), this is my way of loving all in the group and I get to avoid or be exempted from having to encounter the individuals within the group. Hence, I would need a Savior to get me out of this “serious trouble” since loving all men will require His grace.

2. What is the question of great importance?  How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

The question of great importance is “to what extent are you interested in Man?” If I was to rephrase it for myself, it can be “am I sufficiently reaching out, deepening the relationship, and working for the good of all the people I encounter and those the Lord calls me to encounter?” Again, my answer would be “not enough”. I do have a tendency to keep to myself and my comfortable relationships. I believe stretching myself to go beyond this comfort zone is a challenge the Lord is asking me to do.

3. Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)?  What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

Given my past, I am triggered by bullies, especially those who abuse their authority at the expense of the powerless. I have a tendency to be indifferent to those who are materially comfortable, since I cannot relate to them and feel that they do not “need” me as well (and there are a lot in community who fit this description). The chapter challenges me to rethink my attitude towards these groups of people and be more conscious about how I relate to them, and imitate Christ in loving them. I may need to pray more when I witness bully behavior to manage my emotions, and think of the best way to understand and/or correct (as this may be what’s best for them) instead of avoiding them. As for the materially comfortable, I may need to reframe my thinking of “social classes should flock together”. I think there is still value in serving in Tahanan Ng Panginoon given our common experiences. However, I should remember that I can be a good, loving and close brother to anyone regardless of social class.  

4. Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son.  What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee?  How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

This is indeed a challenge as I have a tendency to devote 80% of my MG service time to serve the active brothers in my MG since they may bear the most “fruit” while only devoting 20% of my service time to inactive or less active ones. Watchman Nee reminds me that I was once also a lost sheep that needed saving, but more importantly, God sees each man as important enough for Him to sacrifice Himself for that man’s salvation…and He is calling us to do the same. I need to take a mindset of “love” – willing the good of the other, wherein someone’s salvation is more important than my convenience. So if the Lord is calling me to help bring someone back to Him for his salvation and ultimate good (e.g. I have an inactive member who may have given up on God), I should be willing to die to my preferences and reach out to him, even if I do not see the immediate fruit. This way, I can grow to love man better.

Quote from Von Cassanova on May 24, 2024, 9:52 am

According to Watchman Nee, what is the "serious trouble with many who are engaged in Christian work"? How does this apply to you?

This lack of love for man that Nee mentioned is true. In the country like us where majority of the people are baptized Christians. This lack of love for man is clearly seen in our society. We are one of the most corrupt country now in this part of the world  and many of the Christian workers chose to be silent. I am so happy that our community Ang Ligaya ng Panginoon had the courage to stand and speak for what is right last election. Mahirap ipikit ang mata sa pagdadasal sa Diyos kung nadidinig mo ang iyak ng mga tao na naghihirap at pinapatay.

As Christian worker, I am doing my best to open my heart to all people from all walks of life like St. Theresa of Calcutta.

What is the question of great importance? How would you rephrase that question and address it to yourself?

How do I serve and love my brethren the way the Lord loves mankind.

Are there people (individuals or groups of people) whom you dislike or disdain or despise? or whom you are indifferent about (not in a negative sense, but just not in your area of interest or concern)? What is this chapter saying about how God sees them, and how you should thus consider them?

It is normal in this world to encounter people who we are indifferent to, but the Lord is telling us to love unconditionally. We have to embrace and put into action the example Lord gave us. It is not easy but thru the help and guidance of the Holy Spirit we can overcome.

 

Watchman Nee refers to the parables in Luke 15, about forsaking all in order to seek the one lost sheep, the one lost coin, the one lost son. What new mindset would you personally need to embrace in order to take on this leadership challenge by Watchman Nee? How do you reconcile this with your current service role and calling in Ligaya?

As Pastoral leader it is always a big challenge to lead my men's group. They have different struggles in their Christian life and I need to be with them in this journey of faith. Mahalaga ang bawat isa. I need to be involved also with the spiritual life of my family especially my children.